RFK's campaign (will run as independent/third-party) (2 Viewers)

[samiam5211]

It looks like he's going to be on the ticket in November. I think he should get his own thread. He's about to become well funded, and it's going to be a professionally run campaign no doubt. I don't think it's out of the question that he get's Perot like numbers, and even if he get's 1/4 of that it could be a disaster for the Biden campaign that is probably looking at a few thousand votes in a few states turning the election anyway.

There is going to be money behind this campaign from all sorts of angles. No matter what anyone thinks about RFK, it would be a terrible mistake to not take this campaign seriously. He might take some from Trump for sure, but he's going to take more of the anti Trump vote from Biden, and Biden can't really spare any votes. Not all people who were going to vote for Biden would disagree with the things RFK has said about vaccines, and he's not going to be spending his time campaigning on just vaccine skepticism.

There are many more people voting for Biden who aren't enthusiastic about Biden than there are on the other side.

MSN

Asuper PAC supporting Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has begun polling his support as an Independent, one of the strongest indications to date that the long-shot Democrat is set to announce a party affiliation switch.

The poll, conducted by the firm John Zogby Strategies and commissioned by the American Values 2024 PAC, comes amid growing speculation — fueled by Kennedy himself — that he will leave the Democratic Party in the upcoming weeks.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Robert F. Kennedy Jnr, the presumptive third-party candidate in the 2024 presidential election, summoned the nation’s media on Wednesday to an office building in downtown Brooklyn, next door to Norm’s Pizza, to make a “major announcement.”

Admittedly, the threshold for major announcements at this point in the campaign calendar, the dead zone between primaries and the conventions, is extremely low, but even by those standards, he fell drastically short.

What he delivered, instead, was a meandering PowerPoint presentation that he used to demonstrate that he was not a spoiler candidate (that’s the term given to when one political candidate who will clearly lose draws enough votes away from another candidate to ensure their defeat). Given that “spoiler candidate” has become something of an unofficial slogan for Mr Kennedy’s campaign, he faced an uphill battle.

After an uncomfortable minute spent trying to find his opening slide, Mr Kennedy presented a dizzying array of maps and polls and tweets to make his argument.

He brought to the screen a “mammoth” Zogby poll commissioned by his campaign, with a sample size of 26,408 people — statistical overkill, in other words — that showed president Joe Biden would lose to former president Donald Trump in a head-to-head race if the election was held today.

The same poll showed Mr Kennedy narrowly beating Trump, he said, in a head-to-head-race. He invited the press to check his numbers at (www.kennedy24.com/spoiler).

The problem here, of course, is that Mr Kennedy is not the Democratic Party candidate, and unless he convinces the Democrats not to field a candidate for the first time in the party’s history, head-to-head polls don’t mean much.…..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/Robert%20F.%20Kennedy%20Jr%E2%80%99s%202024%20presidential%20campaign%20is%20him%20promising%20that%20he%E2%80%99s%20not%20the%20spoiler%20candidate

A comment to JFK Jr, it doesn't matter what the polls show, if you aren't on the ballot in every state, then you have no chance of beating anyone.

A few questions for JFK Jr.

Did you do a head-to-head poll with Biden?

If you did, did Biden win or did you?

If you didn't, why not?

When you have to make a big "announcement" to tell everyone you're not a spoiler and to ask the major party nominee to drop out, you're campaign is dead in the water.

I think JFK Jr. is correct about not being a spoiler, because I don't think he'll get enough votes to swing the elections in any of the states that he'll actually be on the ballot.

I'm thrilled he chose to announce he'd beat Trump. That's going to escalate the public feud between him and Trump, which I think is great.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Donald Trump has dismissed the idea of debating independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr., slamming him as “not serious”.

“I don’t know anything about him,” Mr Trump said. “Look, RFK is polling very low, he is not a serious candidate.”

The former president was responding to a question about whether he would debate Mr Kennedy Jr., who he has frequently sparred with throughout his campaign.

“They say he hurts Biden; I don’t know who he hurts, he might hurt me, I don’t know. But he has very low numbers, certainly not numbers that he can debate with. He’s got to get his numbers a lot higher before he’s credible,” Mr Trump added.

A recent NBC News poll found that the third-party vote - especially RFK Jr - is cutting deeper into Trump’s support than President Joe Biden’s.…….

Trump dismisses RFK Jr as ‘not a serious candidate’ when asked if he would debate him

‘I don’t know anything about him,’ the former president says

www.independent.co.uk

 

[SaintForLife]

Facebook is refusing to air the RFK add and Google blocked the Trump add while they hide behind saying it it violates their polices without saying what policies they violated. Facebook and Google are fully behind Biden.

 

[CoolBrees]

For the people in the back who obviously aren't paying attention:

Facebook and Google aren't the government or under the jurisdiction of the FCC, which means they are under no obligation to put any content of anything they don't want, any time they choose. They are a private company that can promote or not promote whatever they want. It's called a freaking free market.

You don't understand the system you complain about.

Try picking up a book instead of Twitter

 

[SaintForLife]

For the people in the back who obviously aren't paying attention:

Facebook and Google aren't the government or under the jurisdiction of the FCC, which means they are under no obligation to put any content of anything they don't want, any time they choose. They are a private company that can promote or not promote whatever they want. It's called a freaking free market.

You don't understand the system you complain about.

Try picking up a book instead of Twitter

What policies did the RFK and Trump ads violate?

 

[SaintForLife]

But if you keep on moving after that, they move on to character assassination.

They dig up everything bad in your past and leak it to the press.

They try to embarrass you. They try to make you say, this fight isn’t worth what it’s costing me, and you quit.

But if that doesn’t stop you, and it stops most people but it didn’t stop Bobby, they say you’re a liar.

If liar doesn’t work, they say you’re an anti-semite and a racist. No two slurs In America are worse than those … except crazy.

Crazy or kook or crank or nut job are their mainstays, that’s their nuclear option.

Because if they can get everyone to dismiss you as a wacko nut job … everything you say is suspect, and then they can get back to selling whatever thing it is you said might not be safe.”

“A lot of times, the ‘crazy person’ is just someone brave enough to speak truth to power.”

RFK Jr: “I lost a lot of friendships, I lost my jobs at the environmental groups, I lost relationships that I’d built over 50 years of life, I had close friends who just told me they couldn’t be my friend anymore.

I just thought it was important.”


They did the same thing to Dennis Kucinich. I thought he was just some crazy politician back then. Now I realize that he was a populist and the establishment will try to destroy anything that goes against it.

 

[CoolBrees]

What policies did the RFK and Trump ads violate?

Why do you want to force them to run them if they don't want to?

 

[SaintForLife]

Why do you want to force them to run them if they don't want to?

Do you have the right thread?

 

[CoolBrees]

Do you have the right thread?

you said Google and Facebook were censoring Trump and RFK

They are private caomanies and can refuse service to anyone they like.

You don't understand the free market and I can't dumb it down that far.

 

[SaintForLife]

you said Google and Facebook were censoring Trump and RFK

They are private caomanies and can refuse service to anyone they like.

You don't understand the free market and I can't dumb it down that far.

So you don't know what policies those ads violated right? All they have to do is list which policies they violated, but they won't because they can keep the supposed reason hidden.

 

[CoolBrees]

It doesn't matter what the policy is.

It is their policy.

They are a private company.

They don't have to do anything they don't want to. Including tell you what their policy is.

It's not that hard.

 

[SaintForLife]

It doesn't matter what the policy is.

It is their policy.

They are a private company.

They don't have to do anything they don't want to. Including tell you what their policy is.

It's not that hard.

When it comes to political candidates it does matter. If they truly violated their policies its easy to list it and fine because they are a private company.

But if they don't list the policy they violated(most likely they didn't violate any of their policies) then it just shows that they are in the tank for Biden again.

 

[CoolBrees]

They can openly campaign for Biden and it would be perfectly legal, what is your point?

 

[MT15]

What policies did the RFK and Trump ads violate?

It doesn’t matter. It’s their policies they can do what they want. Why do you want to force private companies to carry ads they don’t want to carry?

 

[MT15]

When it comes to political candidates it does matter. If they truly violated their policies its easy to list it and fine because they are a private company.

But if they don't list the policy they violated(most likely they didn't violate any of their policies) then it just shows that they are in the tank for Biden again.

No it doesn’t. It shows that you have a total bias, which you are incapable of working around. That’s all this nonsense shows.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Facebook and Google are fully behind Biden.

Facebook and Google are making the only reasonable choice to make.

They will not support and aid two compulsive liars in lying on their platforms.

 

[LA - L.A.]

When it comes to political candidates it does matter. If they truly violated their policies its easy to list it and fine because they are a private company.

But if they don't list the policy they violated(most likely they didn't violate any of their policies) then it just shows that they are in the tank for Biden again.

I think people are misunderstanding SaintForLife's concern.

He understands that it's perfectly legal for Google and Facebook to endorse and support Biden if they want to.

He understands that Google and Facebook not running Trump's and JFK Jr's ads is not a violation of US law.

He understands that there is nothing unfair about any company endorsing and supporting Biden if they want to.

He understands all of that and is probably not concerned about any of that.

He's probably concerned that Google and Facebook refusing to run Trump's ads, especially Facebook, is going to help Biden's campaign and hurt Trump's.

He's probably concerned that if Facebook and Google continue with this policy, Biden will likely win the election over Trump.

He and his cohorts are probably complaining by demanding Facebook and Google state what policies of theirs was violated, because they have to complain about something and that's all they could come up with.

 

[SaintForLife]

No it doesn’t. It shows that you have a total bias, which you are incapable of working around. That’s all this nonsense shows.

Look at what former Clinton advisor said above on how the powerful corporations and the media try to silence someone they don't like.

If they were refusing to air Biden ads without any examples of why it supposedly violated their policies you would be saying the same thing that I am.