RFK's campaign (will run as independent/third-party) (1 Viewer)

[samiam5211]

It looks like he's going to be on the ticket in November. I think he should get his own thread. He's about to become well funded, and it's going to be a professionally run campaign no doubt. I don't think it's out of the question that he get's Perot like numbers, and even if he get's 1/4 of that it could be a disaster for the Biden campaign that is probably looking at a few thousand votes in a few states turning the election anyway.

There is going to be money behind this campaign from all sorts of angles. No matter what anyone thinks about RFK, it would be a terrible mistake to not take this campaign seriously. He might take some from Trump for sure, but he's going to take more of the anti Trump vote from Biden, and Biden can't really spare any votes. Not all people who were going to vote for Biden would disagree with the things RFK has said about vaccines, and he's not going to be spending his time campaigning on just vaccine skepticism.

There are many more people voting for Biden who aren't enthusiastic about Biden than there are on the other side.

MSN

Asuper PAC supporting Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has begun polling his support as an Independent, one of the strongest indications to date that the long-shot Democrat is set to announce a party affiliation switch.

The poll, conducted by the firm John Zogby Strategies and commissioned by the American Values 2024 PAC, comes amid growing speculation — fueled by Kennedy himself — that he will leave the Democratic Party in the upcoming weeks.

 

[MT15]

 

[MT15]

 

[GrandAdmiral]

This dude...

RFK Jr. argues that Biden is a bigger threat to democracy than Trump | CNN Politics

Independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. argued President Biden is a greater threat to democracy than former President Trump because Kennedy was blocked on social media platforms during the Biden administration, which he labeled as an effort to “censor political speech” and...

www.cnn.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Robert F Kennedy Jr claims he qualifies for ballot in swing state North Carolina

Independent says he also qualifies in Utah, Hawaii, Nevada, and New Hampshire – only Utah has confirmed his place on ballot so far

www.theguardian.com

 

[UriUT]

I'm guessing fox now understands the danger rfk jr poses to Trump.

I remember that early period. Rfk jr was on CNN to tell them he isn't anti Vax. Brianna keiler, confronted him and played a clip while he was on Bannon(?)'s show. He tries so hard to paint himself as some moderating candidate that is a good alternative for Biden. Bs.

edit. Sorry not brianna, but kasi hunt.

 

[MT15]

Yeah, he absolutely lies about everything all the time. He’s as much of a sociopath as Trump is.

 

[UriUT]

Yeah, he absolutely lies about everything all the time. He’s as much of a sociopath as Trump is.

yeah….

 

[MT15]

Franklin Graham’s tongue should have immediately just burst into flames.

 

[MT15]

Kennedy is just as crazy as Trump. Maybe even more.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

The more I hear about this guy, the more I lose respect for Cheryl Hines. She's in negative cool points territory despite her role in Curb.

 

[MT15]

 

[Optimus Prime]

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. is gearing up to gaslight his way through the 2024 presidential race.

This week, CNN’s Erin Burnett pressed Kennedy on Americans’ concerns that Donald Trump is a threat to democracy, to which he replied, “I could make the argument that President Biden is the much worse threat to democracy.” He went on to claim Biden is using the federal government to censor political speech and his opponents.

The interview was appropriately met with outrage and mockery. Kennedy later claimed in a NewsNation interview that he didn’t actually say Biden is a bigger threat to democracy, he was merely saying he could argue it.

But even that argument is absurd and patently false. It also appears to be personal. Kennedy apparently still holds a grudge over his Instagram being suspended in 2021 for spreading misleading public health information, after Biden administration officials flagged the material to Meta.

What’s wild is that Trump was notorious for complaining to tech platforms while he was president about content he didn’t like and moderation he didn’t agree with. I was in Trump’s dining room in May 2020 when he phoned Mark Zuckerberg directly to complain about the perception he was being censored. On a number of other occasions, Trump officials tried to have content critical of the former president removed. There’s a well-documented history of Trump allies trying to have unfavorable content censored.

But all that pales in comparison to the very real threat Donald Trump poses to democracy. Trump literally tried to throw out the results of a democratic election that would have resulted in disenfranchising 80 million American voters. He incited an attack on Congress to stop the certification of the election. He attempted to compel public officials to thwart the election. The contrast couldn’t be more glaring.

RFK, Jr. knows this. But he’s playing a dangerous game, trying to court just enough of the right and the left away from two historically unpopular presidential candidates, and speaking out of both sides of his mouth to do it.

Politicians lying for political gain is nothing new, nor is a politician moderating past extreme positions to appeal to a broader electorate outside of the norm of politics. Donald Trump has made an artform out of lying and claiming he never did or said things that he did. Kennedy’s just co-opting the former president’s shamelessness.

A longtime, prominent vaccine skeptic, Kennedy declared “there’s no vaccine that is safe and effective” in a 2023 podcast interview. He has long espoused the debunked theory that vaccines can cause autism. As recently as 2021, at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, he declared that when he sees someone carrying a baby he warns, “Better not get him vaccinated.” (Normal stuff.)

That’s just a small sampling of his vaccine skeptical rhetoric in recent years.

Yet Kennedy with a totally straight face appeared before a congressional committee in July 2023 and claimed, “I have never been anti-vaxx. I have never told the public to avoid vaccination.” When pressed by PBS’ Amna Nawaz on his claim that no vaccine is safe and effective, Kennedy outright claimed, “I never said that.”

What’s notable about Kennedy’s gaslighting and real-time pivoting is the why of it. Kennedy is in a unique position to potentially take support from both the Republican nominee for president and the Democratic nominee. And it remains an open question whether it’s Biden or Trump he will take more support from.............

MSN

Alyssa Farah Griffin: RFK Jr. Isn’t Just an Anti-Vaxxer, He’s a Gaslighting Fraud

The independent presidential candidate constantly talks out of both sides of his mouth, but musing that Biden could be a “worse threat to democracy” than Trump is a new low.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[coldseat]

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. is gearing up to gaslight his way through the 2024 presidential race.

This week, CNN’s Erin Burnett pressed Kennedy on Americans’ concerns that Donald Trump is a threat to democracy, to which he replied, “I could make the argument that President Biden is the much worse threat to democracy.” He went on to claim Biden is using the federal government to censor political speech and his opponents.

The interview was appropriately met with outrage and mockery. Kennedy later claimed in a NewsNation interview that he didn’t actually say Biden is a bigger threat to democracy, he was merely saying he could argue it.

But even that argument is absurd and patently false. It also appears to be personal. Kennedy apparently still holds a grudge over his Instagram being suspended in 2021 for spreading misleading public health information, after Biden administration officials flagged the material to Meta.

What’s wild is that Trump was notorious for complaining to tech platforms while he was president about content he didn’t like and moderation he didn’t agree with. I was in Trump’s dining room in May 2020 when he phoned Mark Zuckerberg directly to complain about the perception he was being censored. On a number of other occasions, Trump officials tried to have content critical of the former president removed. There’s a well-documented history of Trump allies trying to have unfavorable content censored.

But all that pales in comparison to the very real threat Donald Trump poses to democracy. Trump literally tried to throw out the results of a democratic election that would have resulted in disenfranchising 80 million American voters. He incited an attack on Congress to stop the certification of the election. He attempted to compel public officials to thwart the election. The contrast couldn’t be more glaring.

RFK, Jr. knows this. But he’s playing a dangerous game, trying to court just enough of the right and the left away from two historically unpopular presidential candidates, and speaking out of both sides of his mouth to do it.

Politicians lying for political gain is nothing new, nor is a politician moderating past extreme positions to appeal to a broader electorate outside of the norm of politics. Donald Trump has made an artform out of lying and claiming he never did or said things that he did. Kennedy’s just co-opting the former president’s shamelessness.

A longtime, prominent vaccine skeptic, Kennedy declared “there’s no vaccine that is safe and effective” in a 2023 podcast interview. He has long espoused the debunked theory that vaccines can cause autism. As recently as 2021, at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, he declared that when he sees someone carrying a baby he warns, “Better not get him vaccinated.” (Normal stuff.)

That’s just a small sampling of his vaccine skeptical rhetoric in recent years.

Yet Kennedy with a totally straight face appeared before a congressional committee in July 2023 and claimed, “I have never been anti-vaxx. I have never told the public to avoid vaccination.” When pressed by PBS’ Amna Nawaz on his claim that no vaccine is safe and effective, Kennedy outright claimed, “I never said that.”

What’s notable about Kennedy’s gaslighting and real-time pivoting is the why of it. Kennedy is in a unique position to potentially take support from both the Republican nominee for president and the Democratic nominee. And it remains an open question whether it’s Biden or Trump he will take more support from.............

MSN

Alyssa Farah Griffin: RFK Jr. Isn’t Just an Anti-Vaxxer, He’s a Gaslighting Fraud

The independent presidential candidate constantly talks out of both sides of his mouth, but musing that Biden could be a “worse threat to democracy” than Trump is a new low.

www.thedailybeast.com

RFK Jr and anti-vax crowd are not different than flat earthers with the level of ignorance and stupidity when it comes to science and conspiracy theories.

 

[MT15]

He’s also a sociopath, if what I read is true about his ex-wife. This much is fact-he cheated on her with at least 30 different women in one year, kept track in a diary with ratings of their sexual performances, which his then-wife found. After she left him - this is the part I read - he kept telling her she was worthless and everyone would be better off if she were dead. After about a year, she killed herself.

So, yeah, he just might be worse than Trump.

 

[MT15]

Well, the Trump supporters who are bankrolling Kennedy and advising him cannot be happy with this take. He’s not winning votes away from Biden like this, lol.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Well, the Trump supporters who are bankrolling Kennedy and advising him cannot be happy with this take. He’s not winning votes away from Biden like this, lol.

For every reason he gives someone to vote for him, he gives them several reasons not to vote for him. Even if he manages to actually get on the ballot in several states, I don't think he's going to get enough votes in any state to sway the outcome of that state.

 

[MT15]

For every reason he gives someone to vote for him, he gives them several reasons not to vote for him. Even if he manages to actually get on the ballot in several states, I don't think he's going to get enough votes in any state to sway the outcome of that state.

I sure hope so.

This statement I quoted makes me think that maybe he doesn’t know the actual assignment - his backers want him to appear moderate and sensible, an outsider that could effect reforms in DC. They want him to siphon off Biden support. I thought he was on board, because he’s been denying his craziest statements from the past. But with this - he’s definitely playing for Trump voters. That’s why I said his handlers won’t be happy with this.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I sure hope so.

This statement I quoted makes me think that maybe he doesn’t know the actual assignment - his backers want him to appear moderate and sensible, an outsider that could effect reforms in DC. They want him to siphon off Biden support. I thought he was on board, because he’s been denying his craziest statements from the past. But with this - he’s definitely playing for Trump voters. That’s why I said his handlers won’t be happy with this.

His backers think they are playing him, but he's actually playing them. He's in it for the attention and to live lavishly off of the campaign finances. Like you keep saying, JFK Jr. is a narcissistic sociopath and he ain't dumb either. He's got his puppets convinced they're the puppeteers.