All Things LGBTQ+ (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[Farb]

Farb, should adults be able to do this type of body um modifications if they want to? Or are you in favor of outlawing it? Just curious.

Adults can do as they like but I am also not a fan of the mental health community 'affirming' a mental disorder by providing non reversible medical procedures. Just as I am opposed to medical professionals providing a diet plan to lose weight to a person with an eating disorder. Now when this person complains they can't get a job, we also have the the right to point out that their actions and impulses are to blame, not some 'social construct' or whatever new term the alt-left will come up with.

 

[Farb]

The video doesn't make that point well but I would agree. The only that is that it's the right wing that is doing that, not the LGBTQ+ community.

Also, if that's the point, then the video deserves it's own thread. No need to conflate LGBTQ+ community with the culture war surrounding of children.

I thought drag was some type of artistic expression or medium of the LGTB community? Why do they have 'family friendly' drag shows with children present then?

 

[Farb]

I've been, and the event was to the benefit of all who attended not just the drag queens.

How does it benefit the children present?

 

[Farb]

The point System Shock is trying to make is that it would make American society much happier and less angry if Drag Queens (and by extension trans, gay and other LGBTQ+ people) stayed hidden, out is sight, quiet and in the shadows. It makes "people" uncomfortable seeing Drag Queens do anything publicly, like read to children. In fact, LGBTQ+ people shouldn't do anything with children because all we will do is sexualize and moleste them.

are you saying drag queens are an extension of the Lgtb community? I thought you point earlier is that they are not a part so talking about drag queens reading to kids should not be on the LGTB thread

 

[Farb]

my wife has taken our kids to a Drag Brunches. And not one of them tried to turn my kids gay..lol
They ate brunch the Drag Queens danced, adults drank mimosas, everyone had a good time. I am sure System Shock would want kids banned from an event like that, but couldn't care less if someone brought their kids to Twin Peaks where that is 100% sexualized. if Twin Peaks doesn;t make your daugter want to be a stripper, then Drag Queens aren't gonna make your son gay.
I guantee if they banned reading from anyone who is a member of the KKK, the right would lose their minds...

Honest question, why did your wife do that? Was it self satisfaction or to teach the kids something and if so what was the goal or lesson that was hoped to be learned?

 

[Farb]

So your problem isn't with minors getting permanent cosmetic surgery like you say.

Your problem is with trans kids having surgery.

Do you really consider a nose job for a 16 year old the same as breast removal for a 16 year old?

 

[samiam5211]

Do you really consider a nose job for a 16 year old the same as breast removal for a 16 year old?

So you are ok with certain permanent cosmetic surgery for minors?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

How does it benefit the children present?

Do you genuinely not know the benefits of reading to children?

 

[MT15]

Farb obviously wants to be the one who decides what benefits children and what does not. Not their parents or guardians. Just Farb.

 

[SystemShock]

Beyond the obvious preexisting connection between Disney and Drag Queens, the fact that you are using "seen in Disney World" as any sort of measure is ridiculous.

That's a point going over my head? Brilliant!!

So, let's clarify this, and touch up on context which, again, lost art 'round these here parts...

I said there are no drag queens in Disneyworld to another poster, the context being that, he mentioned his wife reading to kids in a princess costume, and asked me what's the difference between her wife reading in a princess costume and a drag queen. To which I replied, there are no drag queens in Disneyworld. It should be very obvious to everyone who knows of Disney that Disney does princesses very well (no double entendre intended). And kids are familiar with Disney princesses.

Then you decided to jump on that conversation, and be your usual condescending self, and replied (I quote):
No drag queens at Disney? You've never seen Little Mermaid have you?

I've seen The Little Mermaid... there are no drag queens in The Little Mermaid. By your comment, I thought you were confused by the character of Ursula, which is said to be inspired by the look of Divine (and yes, I looked up Divine's name... good thing it was just the looks and not the behavior, with the onscreen blowjobs and eating dog feces), but the character itself is not a drag queen. So I figured, I'll explain that to you.

Is a character based on the look of Divine what anyone would call a "preexisting Disney connection to drag queens"? It's a strenuous connection at best. Surely Divine didn't have tentacles.

 

[LA - L.A.]

...the mental health community 'affirming' a mental disorder...

It's been pointed out to Farb that his own source that he relied on as an authority on this subject says that being born transgender is not a mental disorder, but here he is making a the false claim that it's a mental disorder.

Farb's beliefs and opinions on this subject are not science and kindness based, they seem to be religious and fear based.

Farb and people who think like him don't get to impose their beliefs nor their will on anyone else, especially not under the pretense of "protecting the children." His idea of "protecting the children" is to force their parents to raise their children the way Farb wants the children raised.

 

[SystemShock]

The context I was originally replying to was that Drag Story Time is an issue needing to be dealt with.

Am I saying that drag story time is "
an issue needing to be dealt with"?

I was replying to you specifically because you were the one who brought up story time.

I was not the one who brought up story time. I posted a video that had a number of things, and someone replied to me specifically about drag queen story time.

I tried to discuss the point by offering a different perspective, where a woman dressed up in costume to read to children. I asked for differences that must be too nuanced for my public school brain. In counter, you made the point regarding Disney parks.

It's interesting that you'd compare a person wearing a costume with a drag queen. But anyway, first of all, a princess is a known quantity to children. That's why the Disney comment, and I should've expanded on that, that's my bad. I'd think one would be hard pressed to find a kid who doesn't know what a princess or even specifically a Disney princess is. You go to the U.S. parks, and the structure that greets you once inside is a princess palace. A woman dressed as a princess, is the princess in stories telling stories.

On the other hand, drag queen story hour is more about kids being exposed to drag queens and the parents of those kids feeling good about their woke selves than reading to children.

If I wanted to promote diversity during reading hour (which is the tag line for drag story hour) I'd bring people who read Braille, who sign, with accents reading stories from other countries, maybe even wearing their traditional garbs; with disabilities, and so many others, before I bring in night club denizens.

Odd comparison aside, I assumed you hadn't been to Disney because they host all kinds of events and even carve out an exception to their "No adults in costume" rule explicitly for them on a specific night.

I stopped going to Disney when the pandemic started, but I was in Disneyworld every year, sometimes twice a year, since 2008. And again, I was referring to the Disney brand, not park attendees.

This is also the original reason why DeSantis picked a fight with Disneyworld, if you recall.

Yes, I do.

So I am confused where I ignored context; I believe I added it. I even indulged your strawman about Disney.

So would you mind answering my original question-

What's the difference between the two people dressed up and reading to children that makes one worth this discussion?

I explained it above.

 

[SystemShock]

The point System Shock is trying to make is that it would make American society much happier and less angry if Drag Queens (and by extension trans, gay and other LGBTQ+ people) stayed hidden, out is sight, quiet and in the shadows.

bullshirt.

Do me a favor and next time give me the courtesy of an @ so I can tell you how wrong you are when you make false claims about what I say or think.

But this is the birch about ideologies, and those who think anyone who doesn't agree 100% with it, is an enemy.

 

[LA - L.A.]

The point System Shock is trying to make is that it would make American society much happier and less angry if Drag Queens (and by extension trans, gay and other LGBTQ+ people) stayed hidden, out is sight, quiet and in the shadows. It makes "people" uncomfortable seeing Drag Queens do anything publicly, like read to children. In fact, LGBTQ+ people shouldn't do anything with children because all we will do is sexualize and moleste them.

I don't know if that was @SystemShock's point, but it was one of the not-so-subtle points that Bill Maher made in the video that @SystemShock posted. @SystemShock may have not have picked up on that point in the video or may not agree with it.

That's one of the problems with someone posting a video without commenting on why they posted it. It leaves too much room for a lot of misinterpretation and misunderstanding of why it was posted, and what the person who posted the video thinks about it.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

That's a point going over my head? Brilliant!!

So, let's clarify this, and touch up on context which, again, lost art 'round these here parts...

I said there are no drag queens in Disneyworld to another poster, the context being that, he mentioned his wife reading to kids in a princess costume, and asked me what's the difference between her wife reading in a princess costume and a drag queen. To which I replied, there are no drag queens in Disneyworld. It should be very obvious to everyone who knows of Disney that Disney does princesses very well (no double entendre intended). And kids are familiar with Disney princesses.

Then you decided to jump on that conversation, and be your usual condescending self, and replied (I quote):
No drag queens at Disney? You've never seen Little Mermaid have you?

I've seen The Little Mermaid... there are no drag queens in The Little Mermaid. By your comment, I thought you were confused by the character of Ursula, which is said to be inspired by the look of Divine (and yes, I looked up Divine's name... good thing it was just the looks and not the behavior, with the onscreen blowjobs and eating dog feces), but the character itself is not a drag queen. So I figured, I'll explain that to you.

Is a character based on the look of Divine what anyone would call a "preexisting Disney connection to drag queens"? It's a strenuous connection at best. Surely Divine didn't have tentacles.

Let me clarify. I thought your statement was funny, given that the appearance of a major Disney villain is based on a famous drag queen. I also maintain that your Disney World standard is ridiculous, given the existence of Cruella DeVil. You aren't advocating for Animal Torturer Story Hour, after all.

 

[MT15]

I don't know if that was @SystemShock's point, but it was one of the not-so-subtle points that Bill Maher made in the video that @SystemShock posted. @SystemShock may have not have picked up on that point in the video or may not agree with it.

That's one of the problems with someone posting a video without commenting on why they posted it. It leaves too much room for a lot of misinterpretation and misunderstanding of why it was posted, and what the person who posted the video thinks about it.

I tend to assume that if no commentary is posted that means the poster agrees with the content. Sometimes that’s a false assumption but it’s a valid assumption.

 

[bird]

How does it benefit the children present?

How does it damage the children present?

 

[bird]

Do you really consider a nose job for a 16 year old the same as breast removal for a 16 year old?

None of your business.